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Many states looking for sovereignty including Washington |
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Posts: 276 (02/24/09 09:20:31) Senior Member |
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/bi...x?year=2009&bill=4009
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/do...9-State%20sovereignty.pdf 27 states are now trying for sovereignty. |
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Posts: 11 (02/24/09 09:35:16) |
Incorrect.
The State is not looking for sovereignty. Just some people. Also, I seem to recall, in my history lessons in Canada, that the question of State's rights vs. the Federal authority were settled by precedent. See: Union vs. Confederacy - 1861 through 1865. 
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Posts: 277 (02/24/09 10:27:28) Senior Member |
Do you see this as a small or a large number of people becoming pro-active in pushing for Washington state sovereignty?
There are now a (rumored) 27 states where sovereignty is being discussed. Do you forsee a vote on this issue in the near future lets say within 2-5 years? |
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Posts: 12 (02/24/09 10:59:27) |
Do you honestly feel that the people of this state would vote for secession?
I believe the bills are bluster, to avoid the gov'mnt from taxing them, but the reality of the situation is that no state could possibly survive well without the U.S., and the people that these wingnuts are calling on are mostly Americans who bleed red-white-blue. There are a few Libertarians, but I don't consider it a serious movement, as it has no serious strategy. (Other than "I don't like some laws, and I don't like taxes) |
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Posts: 278 (02/24/09 13:04:09) Senior Member |
I am not sure of the people's opinion on this issue around Washington state. It would be nice to see not just one but, multiple polls taken from different
sources.
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Posts: 279 (02/25/09 17:41:10) Senior Member |
Uh-Oh.
Here comes Oklahoma! "The Oklahoma House of Representatives passed House Joint Resolution 1003 Feb. 18 by a wide margin, 83 to 13, resolving, "That the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States." The language of HJR 1003 further serves notice to the federal government "to cease and desist, effectively immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers." The sponsor of the resolution, state Rep. Charles Key, told WND the measure was a 'big step toward addressing the biggest problem we have in this country - the federal government violating the supreme law of the land." Aye! |
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Posts: 853 (02/25/09 23:50:42) Fatty. :( |
I think I will serve notice to the federal government that I want breakfast served to me in bed tomorrow morning. In addition, I will serve further notice to
send the Swedish Bikini Team around. We'll see how that works out, mmmkay?
Seriously: Republican wingnuts (hint: OK is run by Rs on the legislative level, and every legislative sponsor you cited from WA is an R. Second hint: Rs don't control the WA Legislature- in fact, they are basically a speed bump) proposing or even passing a resolution saying OH NOES TEH FEDERALES DID SOMETHING WE DID NOT LIKE ZOMGWTFBBQCIA BLACK UN HELICOPTERS? Yawn. All this "sovereignty" crap is code for "waaaaaaah, we don't like the New Deal, Social Security, and anything proposed by Democrats since about 1910, so we'll write a sternly worded letter about how it's all unconstitutional and whine a lot on angry right-wing talk radio". Aside from the fact that their arguments are revanchist and ultrareactionary, they're also full of bullshit.
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Posts: 280 (02/26/09 19:20:24) Senior Member |
I thought that those documents were kind of like a bill submitted to be voted on and passed into law. I did not realize that they were just letters.
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Posts: 854 (02/26/09 22:55:46) Fatty. :( |
A resolution such as the ones described is essentially the same as the legislature sending a letter to Congress. Congress notes the resolution and places it in
the round filing cabinet it keeps for these sorts of things.
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